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Silly autocorrect!!!kristyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17403501955433900995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-66844659312965600082014-01-19T22:43:07.401-05:002014-01-19T22:43:07.401-05:00Some passages on divisions in the church during Ne...Some passages on divisions in the church during New Testament times come to mind: <br /><br />1 Cor chapters 8-10 re different Christians' responses on whether or not to eat food sacrificed to idols (a peripheral issue, not a make-or-break Gospel issue)<br /><br />1 Cor 3 re which men of God we follow <br /><br />Acts chapter 15 where Peter and Paul have to sit down and talk out a disagreement<br /><br />Oh, I can't find it but it's also in Corinthians and it's where Paul is talking about false apostles. His conclusion at the end is along the lines of, Well if they're preaching Christ, that's a good thing (even if it's for dishonest gain.)<br /><br />So I suppose I'm trying to say: please let's stop bickering amongst ourselves!!! Let's spend our energy proclaiming the gospel of our Lord. Let's defend the core truths of Jesus' death for our justification and his resurrection that brings us into eternal life and a new relationship with God. <br /><br />Jesus himself said the world would know we are his disciples if we love one a other (as Christians) and that a house divided against itself cannot stand. Let's fight the good fight and learn to distinguish what is a peripheral issue and what is a core.<br /><br />Do these guys (Tripp et al) preach the gospel? Do they preach Jesus Christ crucified for our sins and raised to life for our justification? <br /><br />Well, if they do, regardless of their style, why do we fellow Christians seek to cut them down? I really don't get it. <br /><br />I have been deified by Tripp and Piper's teaching. It has drawn me closer to God and deepened my understanding of the Bible and continually refocused me on the Gospel. I'm just trying to tell the truth in love. Please don't think I'm trying to be contentious or a smarty pants or rude or obnoxious. I'm genuinely concerned and baffled by the heated divisions and it really sounds like legalism and self-righteousness - the "old religion" of the law rather than the new way of the Gospel of grace.<br /><br />But as I said I'm looking in from a different culture. So any explanations or insights I'm missing would be welcomed. Maybe some of you need to write to Paul Tripp with gentleness and respect and explain to him why his words offended you. See how he responds. Think first about whether or not he is a brother in Christ. Is he preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Let's not nit pick and fault find. He's a person, a brother in Christ. Fallible as you and I are and needing God's daily forgiveness and grace like the rest of us. I'd love to hear how he responds to a heartfelt, kind, humble expression of how you've been hurt. Perhaps he'll decide in future that using a word like the S word, even when it's just to illustrate a point, is unedifying and unhelpful, and perhaps he won't do it again in future, considering how it affected his fellow brothers and sisters. You never know!kristyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17403501955433900995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-38622663101436905792014-01-19T22:42:37.100-05:002014-01-19T22:42:37.100-05:00Anyway, I would be interested to hear some thought...Anyway, I would be interested to hear some thoughtful insights into Christian culture in America. What I can hear loud and clear is that the use of the as word, even though it was just for illustration, was really unhelpful for many American Christians to hear. (It didn't grate on me much at all, but not because I'm not a mature Christian, I think it's maybe because swearing may be less of a heated issue to Christians in Australia???)<br /><br />And I'd like to encourage those of you who were offended by Tripp's illustrative use of language to follow Jesus' and Paul's instructions on how to deal with a brother who offends you. <br /><br />Let's not be so wrapped up in being "right", or defending what is right and true, that we forget to confront one another directly, in truth AND love, with gentleness and respect. <br /><br />It felt a little bit like I was reading a sibling squabble or dispute. Surely we can be outspoken for the Gospel, and surely we should and must defend the Gospel message of Jesus' life, death and resurrection. But why must we fight amongst ourselves? <br /><br />If someone could fill me in on any cultural context that I'm missing out on, it would be great.<br /><br />kristyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17403501955433900995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-67227126024912064322014-01-19T22:40:25.012-05:002014-01-19T22:40:25.012-05:00I think there are two ways you could approach answ...I think there are two ways you could approach answering this child's question about "bad words": you could say something along these lines: Some words are bad and they're called swear words, and you know which ones not to say because they're the ones Mum and Dad don't use, or because Jesus wouldn't have used them, or the Bible says to keep unwholesome talk from your mouth. <br /><br />But why are the words bad? They're offensive. Why? It wouldn't answer the question. Paul decided to go for a different approach: looking at what the Bible does say about our words: we should use them to edify others. So he was taking the focus off the words themselves and making them think more deeply about what their words are communicating. I think he laughed after telling his story about each of his three kids using the S word NOT because he thought it was cool, but because his kids had missed his point!!! They'd taken his "qualified permission" to use "bad words" at face value and not even thought about what he actually said. I bet his kids don't swear now, and not just "because it's bad" and they want to "be good." I'm guessing his grown up kids, if they actually heeded his teaching, would be people who think not so much about "right and wrong" or "good and bad" but about "glorifying God or not?" And "edifying others or not". This seems less legalistic and less works-oriented to me.<br /><br />kristyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17403501955433900995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-35551572646974548602014-01-19T22:36:31.635-05:002014-01-19T22:36:31.635-05:00I live in Australia and am an evangelical conserva...I live in Australia and am an evangelical conservative (if I must "box" myself!) Christian, though I have friends who attend a range of churches, not just ones like mine. <br /><br />I've been a little confused and discouraged by reading this bog post and the ensuing arguments. Maybe I don't know enough about the church culture in the US... <br /><br />It seems, after reading all this, that there are different "types" of Christians in in US... As there are in Australia, mind you! Here, there is some division between conservative evangelicals (who focus on Biblical exegesis, are considered culturally "backward" by many for holding true to the tough, "outdated" teachings in Scripture), Liberals (who are great at social justice but deny some of the basic truths of the gospel eg that Jesus rose from the dead) and Pentecostals (who emphasise experience and the Holy Spirit and exuberant worship but sometimes preach from the Bible out of context, in an attempt to make it culturally relevant.)<br /><br />In reading this blog post about Paul Tripp (and John Piper and Driscoll) it has struck me that tensions were already high regarding the ministries and messages preached by "people like them". <br /><br />It has also struck me that emotions run high when discussing Paul Tripp's video on the use of language. <br /><br />I suppose I'm most surprised because I have found his teaching to be very conservative, gospel-focused and Biblically sound. His videos on marriage and parenting have really helped my husband and I "get to the heart" of how we approach life. <br /><br />One aspect of Paul Tripp's style that struck me was this: He seemingly deliberately veers away from giving clear cut instructions or "rules" or guidelines to follow. Instead, he focuses on the principles found in the Bible and let's us work out how to apply those principals in our lives, according to our own context.<br /><br />I have appreciated this aspect of Tripp's teaching style as it has always left me thinking about Bible verses and how to apply them in my own marriage and family, rather than giving me a list of dos and don'ts to follow. <br /><br />So when I watched the video with him using the S word to illustrate a point, I was a little surprised to hear him use it, yes, as I don't swear and neither does my husband or any Christians I know. And our ministers / pastors never use this type of language either!!<br /><br />But as I kept listening to his whole anecdote, I got the hang of what he was saying. As a parent of a preschooler and a baby I haven't yet encountered such tough questions from my children. My son asks Why? all the time but not about things like "Why are some words bad and others ok?"!! <br /><br />kristyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17403501955433900995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-91060714964291519372012-07-11T22:19:29.446-04:002012-07-11T22:19:29.446-04:00Wow. I'm shocked at how many people are in sup...Wow. I'm shocked at how many people are in support of the author of this blog. Folks, the issue here is not dirty words. It's an issue of the heart. If I say crap out of anger that is no different in God's eyes than I giant F bomb. Yes, our words should eddify, that IS Tripp's point here. <br /><br />God isn't less disappointed in you for saying replacement words for what you call "filth". The issue at hand is a sinful heart, not the words themselves that exit. Saying dang is no different than the other word. It just seems that way.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05938599829747620930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-85741484429230642802012-02-02T08:32:29.608-05:002012-02-02T08:32:29.608-05:00I am left wondering how this post (and the associa...I am left wondering how this post (and the associated comments) brings glory to the Lord?<br /><br />Matthew 7:3 Just sayin'...<br /><br />God chose David. Are you going to judge God on that choice as well? You know, David the murderer and adulterer...<br /><br />-DJGDaniel Gullohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16883188031032793229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-34965557367735707992010-03-31T14:12:38.156-04:002010-03-31T14:12:38.156-04:00Just from this 5 minute video, I can't really ...Just from this 5 minute video, I can't really say much against Tripp's conclusions. I've tried to avoid coarse, profane speech in my daily life no matter the "intention", however I do understand the distinction Tripp is attempting, since I've been to some churches where "gosh", "golly" and other such words are viewed as wrong as sh**. HOWEVER, what Tripp is saying (at least in this video) and what I've see Driscoll do with profanity is two different things. Driscoll simply likes to shock.Roderick_Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02169535715630771551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-27467116471971925062010-01-28T23:17:29.178-05:002010-01-28T23:17:29.178-05:00Most of you are missing the point, because you can...Most of you are missing the point, because you cannot see past the typical evangelical cloud - why look to the intent? Because there is not a single thing you say or do that does not originate from your heart. I feel certain that Jesus talked quite sufficiently on the fact that God is not solely concerned with what we do but just as much WHY we do it. <br /><br />It is not as simple as "don't say bad words". That is naive and unfortunately what too many people have thought for far too long. Scripture says do not let anything unwholesome come out of your mouth, not "don't say bad words". Unwholesome means a myriad of things - not just swear words. If we are so quick to discount a deeper understanding of what we say and why we say it, then we are failing miserably. Someone please tell me what it means to be Christ like? What does it mean to be in relationship with God? Because if what goes on in our hearts is of concern to our heavenly Father should it not be a concern to us?<br /><br />Much of this post, written to condemn Paul Tripp's book/video/views/theology/whatever,is written in a mean-spirited, sarcastic, and mocking way. That is unwholesome, as far as I can tell. <br /><br />James 3:8-10<br />...but no man can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. <br /><br />A last word here...Alice said, " Again, less about feelings and what everyone's intention is, and more just straight obeying Scripture." This is impossible - why did God send his Son? Because we can't just straight obey the Scripture! Because of sin, our hearts are far from God, and even once we are saved sin is a very real struggle. We MUST be concerned with our intentions and not simply our actions, because seemingly good actions can come from sinful hearts. I will give a very simple example. My son loves to help his sister play video games. He offers his assistance every chance he gets, an action that appears loving on the outside. But we have learned that he doesn't really care about helping her - he wants more time to play! His heart is wrongly motivated but his action is seemingly loving. It is simple and yet complex. It is that way for us all.Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03913065437442449153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-37222758525150213072009-04-10T17:57:00.000-04:002009-04-10T17:57:00.000-04:00For more on Mark Driscoll and Phil Johnson, see: P...For more on Mark Driscoll and Phil Johnson, see: <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://epangelia.blogspot.com/2009/03/phil-johnson-vs-mark-dricsoll-brief.html" REL="nofollow">Part I</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://epangelia.blogspot.com/2009/03/phil-johnson-and-mark-driscoll-part-ii.html" REL="nofollow">Part II</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://epangelia.blogspot.com/2009/03/phil-johnson-and-mark-driscoll-part-iii.html" REL="nofollow">Part III</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://epangelia.blogspot.com/2009/03/phil-johnson-and-mark-driscoll-part-iv.html" REL="nofollow">Part IV</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://epangelia.blogspot.com/2009/03/phil-johnson-and-mark-driscoll-part-v.html" REL="nofollow">Part V</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://epangelia.blogspot.com/2009/03/phil-johnson-and-mark-driscoll-part-vi.html" REL="nofollow">Part VI</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://epangelia.blogspot.com/2009/03/phil-johnson-and-mark-driscoll-part-vii.html" REL="nofollow">Part VII</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://epangelia.blogspot.com/2009/03/phil-johnson-and-mark-driscoll-part-viii.html" REL="nofollow">Part VIII</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://epangelia.blogspot.com/2009/03/phil-johnson-and-mark-driscoll-part-ix.html" REL="nofollow">Part IX</A>Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03703532993407150696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-87548358336074794702009-01-25T21:20:00.000-05:002009-01-25T21:20:00.000-05:00This is a prime example of people reading their ow...This is a prime example of people reading their own culture into Scripture. Scripture never tells us what words are wrong, or even that certain words ARE wrong. Instead it says that we should use language that will build each other up and encourage one another. While you may not want to hear the word sh*t, or any other words that would be considered "wrong" in our culture, others would not hold the offence you do. <BR/><BR/>This is also a prime example of the kind of "Christian" behavior I have to apologize for over and over again. We want to impose our made up standard (NOT GOD'S STANDARD) on the rest of the world and this is so often the cause of their misunderstanding of our God - because we ourselves misunderstand our God.<BR/><BR/>Let's try to take care of the planks in our eyes before we start gouging out Paul Tripp's. Did you even listen to what he was saying or could you not hear over your own offensive? It's so easy to judge other's when you haven't taken a good look at yourself.<BR/><BR/>Help us, Jesus!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-24964245733169079132008-12-10T22:42:00.000-05:002008-12-10T22:42:00.000-05:00Steve,Thanks for the interesting post.I believe th...Steve,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the interesting post.<BR/><BR/>I believe the most proper response to such a disappointment (to some) or encouragement (to some) is to pray for Paul Tripp and the other shepherds (Ephesians 6:18).<BR/><BR/>Keep the faith,<BR/><BR/>Paul L.plianghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17886558613053787157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-29750961562087183322008-11-19T09:54:00.000-05:002008-11-19T09:54:00.000-05:00I am appalled that Paul Tripp would even use this ...I am appalled that Paul Tripp would even use this kind of language, especially after his conference on the "War of Words"...the s word is offensive, no matter how it is used. I think he is maybe overthinking this whole vocabulary thing.<BR/><BR/>At the same time, I find the the blogger's comments about Mr. Tripp...specifically this one "he giggles like a red-faced school girl" to be offensive too. I think we need to be careful when we are trying to critique a brother or sister in Christ. If we want to rebuke Tripp then thats good...I hope he realizes that its wrong to speak that way and makes a public apology for it. But lets not all jump on the bandwagon to gang up on him either. If you think about it...a comment like "he giggles like a red-faced schoolgirl" is intended to be disrespectful to Mr. Tripp. God is no respecter of people...Tripp will answer to God for his words, just as we all will for the things that we pass on to other people through our speech. I dont get the point of this blog at all. Lets go to Tripp in love with our concerns rather than sit around and talk about how wrong he is.<BR/><BR/>Just my two cents as a passerby.valleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17864032902397428939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-80376766752362744022008-10-13T15:44:00.000-04:002008-10-13T15:44:00.000-04:00Just a thought. Out of the millions of words that ...Just a thought. Out of the millions of words that can be employed to "edify" another person what kind of mind thinks "Can we use S#!t to edify someone?" and "Why not hold a conference, make people pay money and we talk about whether we can use S#!t to edify people." <BR/><BR/>Tha's just sad.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09045435425352838499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-69110962116456068442008-10-10T23:12:00.000-04:002008-10-10T23:12:00.000-04:00OK, I didn't read all 348 comments, and I don't ex...OK, I didn't read all 348 comments, and I don't expect everyone to read this one ... but here goes anyway.<BR/><BR/>If you are offended by what Paul says, you don't get what he is saying. You can keep your language "clean" and be so guilty of judging your brother a fool, and you can say all the right words with no meaning behind them. It seems pretty Pharisaical to condemn Paul for what he says here. Words do not have magic power. Just uttering the syllables does not indicate wrong motivations or desires. Certain words may be culturally offensive but be morally neutral - like this one - and may be used rightly to shock a listener out of their legalistic stupor. You may choose not to offend another and avoid such words, but sometimes there is reason to offend - when someone's overscrupulous conscience is attempting to bind others where God has not ...Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03677300264577869472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-3623758469274972162008-10-08T07:00:00.000-04:002008-10-08T07:00:00.000-04:00THe bible surely condemns profanity and swearing (...THe bible surely condemns profanity and swearing (see the stack of references throughout previous posts) and extolls us towards self control, and in general glorifying the Father, Son and Spirit.<BR/>This is a black and white issue.<BR/>However somthingi believe that has been failed to be addressed is what constitutes a profane/swear or cuss word? This is much more a gray area. Of course there is the wisdom of being considerate for weaker brothers and sisters.<BR/>He used a word which some people hold to be a "swear word", and he probably could have gotten his message across without speaking it. Sure it is not exactly wise but i would be very careful in ascribing sin to others without first examining oneself.<BR/>As an outsider, the tone of this blog/thread has been quite judgemental rather than gracious and humble. I understand where you are coming from, however your response in condemning him (and associates) seems to come across with a level of pride that seems also in need of repentance.<BR/>Thankfully Jesus is gracious and mighty to be able to expiate our sins and help us to be sanctified.<BR/>I myself am convivted that my own language is often far from perfect as can be my tendancy to judge.<BR/>My prayer is for Tripp and us all to be more concious in our language and also that we may be granted humble hearts.<BR/>May God bless you all in the work he has given you.<BR/><BR/>(I apologise if i have misread the tone of peoples posts as this is somthing easily done.)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02017208762267816432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-82851559766925096202008-10-05T11:55:00.000-04:002008-10-05T11:55:00.000-04:00I have listened to countless sermons Paul Tripp ha...I have listened to countless sermons Paul Tripp has given in his role as a <BR/>teaching elder at Tenth Presbyterian Church in Philadelphia, a respected church <BR/>where God's Word is preached. The Rev Tripp has constantly exalted Chirst in <BR/>his sermons. The comments in this blog really saddens me in the way it pillories <BR/>a servant of Christ. How about raising the bar in the way we treat other <BR/>believers?mozarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12379441959997940489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-70888977736905304922008-09-23T22:09:00.000-04:002008-09-23T22:09:00.000-04:00Who has spiked the water in Minnesota?I dunno. We...<I>Who has spiked the water in Minnesota?<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>I dunno. We have a water treatment system. Maybe that should be required for all Christians in this area. Too many nitrates in the water...?terriergalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08801794520433439408noreply@blogger.com