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The fact is, people are drawn to the word proof. <br /><br />Recently, I've been scanning some atheist blogs and haven't found any of the wonderfully trained Christian debaters doing any debating. <br /><br />Though a layman, I am inspired to challenge atheist philosophers with extensive vocabularies because I have one very important thing, the truth.<br /><br />I've challenged them to disprove my article in layman's terms:<br /><br />"How Identity, Logic and Physics Prove God's Existence"<br /><br />BTW - I'm interested in contributing blog authors if anyone is open to this.Rick Wardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09689451026838986088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-63643982033321218002010-05-05T01:33:33.383-04:002010-05-05T01:33:33.383-04:00Gettyman, I have a 136 IQ and a college degree in...Gettyman, I have a 136 IQ and a college degree in psychology by the way, I'm glad my lack of knowledge amuses you. Your pedantic grandiloquence reminds me of the historical figure of Duns Scotus and it means nothing to me. Great book knowledge may make for great debates in your ivory tower but it doesn't solve the problems of the world. This is no game to me.Jeff Jenckshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15866603185311504281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-87710172738401895462010-05-05T00:57:36.663-04:002010-05-05T00:57:36.663-04:00I hope I'm following the proper protocol here....I hope I'm following the proper protocol here. tntragan's comments inspired me because like him, I want to share my witness to the gospel but struggle because I wasn't taught how. One thing that I rely on that has bearing on this discussion, I know I can always speak about what I know and I know that I should never claim to speak about what I do not know.<br /><br />I cannot argue apologetics with atheists. I don't really know enough about either subject to debate anyone and that is why what Kirk did bothers me. I've seen and heard other Christians get in way over their heads talking like experts about subjects they know nothing about and I've seen for myself the damage caused by such debates.<br /><br />On the other hand, that doesn't mean I have to be silent. I can talk about how I was suicidal and I prayed "God, please change me or put me out of my misery." I can talk about how God has healed me of physical problems that the doctors could not cure. I can talk about how God has been helping me recover financially. I can tell people why homosexuality is a sin and how God can transform lives. I can tell people how the welfare system does not line up with scripture. And I am learning to be even better at evangelism. But I can tell you from personal experience and what I've seen in the lives of others, my way of sharing the gospel is better than and less damaging than what Cameron and Comfort did.Jeff Jenckshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15866603185311504281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-35452389629696334012008-10-01T05:44:00.000-04:002008-10-01T05:44:00.000-04:00"when debating atheists, first know what you are t..."when debating atheists, first know what you are talking about" This is a must, here are a few facts for you Denise. <BR/><BR/>1. We atheists have for the most part read the bible cover to cover. <BR/>2. We have studied the facts of evolution and no what it does and doesn't say. <BR/>3. Most of us have done this with many theists, Christian and others, so we know most of your arguments before you start. <BR/>4. You're right it is only a game for us, we do it for fun not to be converted. <BR/>5. We do not accept you bible as valid proof of anything, in short it means nothing to us. Using it to prove your point is useless. <BR/>6. Personal testimony ditto as the bible, useless, we consider them lies for the most part.<BR/>7. Your ignorance of how nature and science work, although a source of amusement, is in no way valid proof of anything. <BR/>8. I am one of those atheists you claim do not exist, I have never been a believer of any religion. I, like you, was born an atheist. I was never indoctrinated into any religion. Like it or not we exist and FYI we don't hate your god, we just don't believe it exists.gumball1frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11496633239196070653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-34408503250670307632008-10-01T05:42:00.000-04:002008-10-01T05:42:00.000-04:00"when debating atheists, first know what you are t..."when debating atheists, first know what you are talking about" This is a must, here are a few facts for you Denise. <BR/><BR/>1. We atheists have for the most part read the bible cover to cover. <BR/>2. We have studied the facts of evolution and no what it does and doesn't say. <BR/>3. Most of us have done this with many theists, Christian and others, so we know most of your arguments before you start. <BR/>4. You're right it is only a game for us, we do it for fun not to be converted. <BR/>5. We do not accept you bible as valid proof of anything, in short it means nothing to us. Using it to prove your point is useless. <BR/>6. Personal testimony ditto as the bible, useless, we consider them lies for the most part.<BR/>7. Your ignorance of how nature and science work, although a source of amusement, is in no way valid proof of anything. <BR/>8. I am one of those atheists you claim do not exist, I have never been a believer of any religion. I, like you, was born an atheist. I was never indoctrinated into any religion. Like it or not we exist and FYI we don't hate your god, we just don't believe it exists.gumball1frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11496633239196070653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-4614607184504293092007-10-14T13:09:00.000-04:002007-10-14T13:09:00.000-04:00Steve, you were unkind and unreasonably critical t...Steve, you were unkind and unreasonably critical towards your brethren. I didn't watch it until after I read your comments because I was unaware of it. Both Ray and Kirk had very good and well spoken points that they made and the only really bad remark was that Kirk credited evolution for the high degree of unbelief rather than the love of sin.<BR/>God's Word says only by pride comes contention. You obviously think you could do much better than Ray and Kirk. Maybe you could, but their effort wasn't nearly as bad as you made it out to be.Ozellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03887153955992398926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-58476947540607451402007-06-12T15:57:00.000-04:002007-06-12T15:57:00.000-04:00I am stuck somewhere between Lynn and Steve. I rea...I am stuck somewhere between Lynn and Steve. I really appreciate Ray and Kirk's ministry and believe that Ray's plan worked from his perspective. <BR/><BR/>I listened to another debate between Ray and an atheist and he basically did exactly what he did in this debate. He does not try for the most part to respond to the atheistic arguments, but rather simply presents the gospel to a crowd which he assumes hasn't heard it before. Ray attempts to use the atheist in his debates as he would normally use a heckler while open air preaching, to captivate the audience. So, in part I agree with Lynn.<BR/><BR/>However, I felt your pain as well Steve. As you said, the segment when Ray and Kirk wouldn't answer was rough to watch, especially since there are some great responses to such an argument. <BR/><BR/>So, in the eyes of some, these no name atheists "won" the debate using weak arguments against two very visible representatives of evangelical Christianity. <BR/><BR/>So, now that the dust has settled, why not help these guys (Ray and Kirk) out Steve? Maybe you could go on the air to be interviewed by the 2 atheists? They have started a little radio show and have invited any believers to come on live and debate with them. Be an example of how it should be done.<BR/><BR/>Also, for a great 6 part written debate between Christopher Hitchens (smug atheist) and Douglas Wilson (humble, puppy loving theologian), go to Christianity Today's web site. http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/mayweb-only/119-12.0.htmlBlackBaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08667694529721924113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-89580040507437635372007-05-30T10:53:00.000-04:002007-05-30T10:53:00.000-04:00Cyd:Thank you for your encouraging words...I do ap...Cyd:<BR/>Thank you for your encouraging words...<BR/><BR/>I do appreciate Ray and Kirk as my brothers in the Lord, but one of the reasons I will not apologize for this post can be illustrated in one segment of this debate. <BR/><BR/>It was the segment where the ABC moderator asks Ray if he would like to answer Brian Sapient's comment that "God does not exist and the universe has always existed" - and Ray surpisingly says "no." I was taken back by his obvious avoidance of this question. Even the moderator seemed suprised as well. During this time, Kirk was staring at the ceiling for several seconds like a young man in class who didn't know the answer to the question and was hoping the teacher didn't call on him. Ray then asked Kirk, "do you want to respond?" Kirk hemmed a bit and then said this amazing thing, "No, I think they can figure it out."<BR/><BR/>What? That's it? That's the response from two believers in the Lord Jesus Christ on the issue of the self-existeing state of the universe to an athiest in a public debate? Unbelievable!<BR/><BR/>Again, if any of us pursued an audience with ABCNEWS to debate two athiests on this issue, set the premise for the debate, failed at meeting our own premise, and then gave those kinds of responses on basic questions, then anyone in the body of Christ would have the right and duty to publicly admonish us on such a weak performance. We in turn should be humble enough to receive the loving rebuke; own it; apologize to the body of Christ; learn from our mistakes; study hard, and then move on.<BR/><BR/>This is part and parcel as to why I won't apologize for this post.<BR/><BR/>Thanks again Cyd...<BR/>Steve<BR/>2 Cor. 4:5-7SJ Camphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844201288864307481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-35821197393507712892007-05-30T10:37:00.000-04:002007-05-30T10:37:00.000-04:00Lynn:Good to see you posting here--thank you.You s...<B>Lynn:</B><BR/>Good to see you posting here--thank you.<BR/><BR/><B>You said,</B> <I>"Are these "100% scientific" (knowledge-producing) proof of God? According to the Scriptures, breathed by God Himself, they are."</I><BR/><BR/>Your statement really says it all--the debate according to Ray's own premise was to prove "the existence of God scientifically, absolutely, without mentioning faith or the Bible."<BR/><BR/>You have to mention the Bible and refer to it to even draw the principles you mentioned above. I agree with you that those things are found in the Bible--but he made the claim that he could prove God's existence without mentioning the Bible (that includes its principles as well).<BR/><BR/>He could not and more importantly--cannot.<BR/><BR/>Again, you don't give up Christianity to prove the existence of the God of Christianity. He and Kirk were not equipped Lynn for this debate and it was painful to watch.<BR/><BR/>I appreciate your thoughts...<BR/>Grace and peace,<BR/>Steve<BR/>Col. 1:9-14SJ Camphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844201288864307481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-80066795984137486752007-05-29T23:21:00.000-04:002007-05-29T23:21:00.000-04:00Regarding the concerns and subsequent conversation...Regarding the concerns and subsequent conversations over the 'tone' of this article, I just want to offer my two cents:<BR/> <BR/>The tone is just fine. <BR/>No apologies necessary.cydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15517976881032870570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-33316779574638388322007-05-29T16:30:00.000-04:002007-05-29T16:30:00.000-04:00Steve,I've greatly appreciated your ministry throu...Steve,<BR/><BR/>I've greatly appreciated your ministry throughout the years, and I admire your heart for the Lord and your desire to promote the truth. So I was shocked to hear your critical comments about Ray and Kirk and their performance at the debate. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps by the "scientific proof" that was promised, some were expecting God to be produced in a petrie dish. But <I>"scientific" just means "producing knowledge."</I> Ray stated this at the beginning of the debate, and said he would be using simple proofs to "produce knowledge" of God. I'm sorry if you missed that crucial statement. But the fact is, he did exactly as he claimed, using three clear evidences for the existence of God:<BR/><BR/><B>Creation</B>: Produces intellectual knowledge of God (Rom. 1:20).<BR/><BR/><B>Conscience</B>: Produces knowledge of sin and the need of God's forgiveness (Rom. 3:19,20).<BR/><B>Conversion</B>: Produces knowledge of God experientially (John 14:21).<BR/><BR/>Are these "100% scientific" (knowledge-producing) proof of God? According to the Scriptures, breathed by God Himself, they are. No one will be able to stand before God on Judgment Day and claim he just didn't know. Romans 1 tells us that the evidence of creation alone is sufficient to <I>prove</I> God's existence, so that men are <I>without excuse</I>. Psalm 19:1-3 confirms that creation declares the glory of our Creator, and gives proof of His existence throughout all the earth. (In Rom. 10:18, Paul quotes this passage to emphasize that all men everywhere have heard this word of God, who is evidenced by His creation.) These are all the proofs necessary to know there is a God--according to our God, who cannot lie.<BR/><BR/>While a highly skilled apologist such as James White might have been able to "win" the debate with his intellectual arguments, he would not have won the atheists to the Lord. It is the GOSPEL that is the power of God to salvation, not intellectual arguments--a truth that Paul confirms: "My speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God" (1 Cor. 2:4,5).<BR/><BR/>I praise God that the glorious gospel was proclaimed to millions of unsaved souls around the world! The <I>biblical</I> gospel, that brings knowledge of sin and the need for repentance. Is that not cause for rejoicing? It is irrelevant what answers Ray and Kirk did or didn't give, and what anyone else would have done differently. God used their faithfulness to boldly preach His gospel, and through their words the Holy Spirit is able to bring conviction and draw sinners to the Savior. Do we not trust God to work? <BR/><BR/>Also, Ray did not say they would never reference the Bible during the debate, just that he could "prove God's existence" by not requiring the Bible. This he did, using the proofs that God's Word says are sufficient evidence for all mankind.<BR/><BR/>The bottom line is, Ray and Kirk did exactly what they promised to do, and with complete integrity. You are mistaken in claiming that Ray and Kirk were "dishonest," engaged in deception, and failed to meet their stated goals. Steve, I believe your heart's desire is to promote what is true, so I pray that you will apologize publicly (as well as privately) to Ray and Kirk for maligning their character and ministry. May we all be about the Father's business and use our energies seeking to reach souls for our Savior.Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16619583816221339765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-47979042004583616402007-05-29T16:23:00.000-04:002007-05-29T16:23:00.000-04:00Sorry, Steve. New to blogging, I don't know the ru...Sorry, Steve. New to blogging, I don't know the rules of engagement and thought my first name was sufficient so I'm not "anonymous." I hope I filled out enough details now. (I work all the time and pretty much have no hobbies, so I hope I provided all the info that's relevent for posting here.) Thanks!Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16619583816221339765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-82046797884982109352007-05-29T14:07:00.000-04:002007-05-29T14:07:00.000-04:00Lynn:While I appreciate your heartfelt emotional r...<B>Lynn:</B><BR/>While I appreciate your heartfelt emotional response on this issue, I do not allow anonymous posting on this blog.<BR/><BR/>Anyone can say whatever they would like as long as they follow the rules of engagement listed here. I do, however, want to know with whom I am speaking.<BR/><BR/>Please fill out the profile information that blogger makes available. Upon doing so, you may repost here anytime you wish and are welcome on this blog. <BR/><BR/>Until then, you may not post here and all posts will be deleted.<BR/><BR/>Thank you...<BR/>SteveSJ Camphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844201288864307481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-28432602021461034552007-05-26T13:00:00.000-04:002007-05-26T13:00:00.000-04:00I am in Scappoose, about 20 miles North of Portlan...I am in Scappoose, about 20 miles North of Portland.gigantor1231https://www.blogger.com/profile/13329932791380481665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-44930879541382577942007-05-26T11:52:00.000-04:002007-05-26T11:52:00.000-04:00AMEN and AMEN!!!!!I think we have found common gro...AMEN and AMEN!!!!!<BR/><BR/>I think we have found common ground. I appreciate your response. I agree 100% that salvation is completely of God.<BR/><BR/>It does, however, benefit us to be prepared. And that is all I am saying about Ray's ministry. That is it's purpose, to prepare people to share the Gospel in an effective way.<BR/><BR/>It sounds like you have had many mentors in your journey. I have not in regards to evangelism. Unfortunately most churches do not teach biblical evangelism.<BR/><BR/>Your right in that we do not legally have to evangelize to be saved. But what a priveleage to get to share the hope that is within us! <BR/><BR/>For some reason (I can't figure out why), God chose me to be his messenger. WOW! He chose each of us that call upon His name to do His good purpose.<BR/><BR/>Isaiah 6:5<BR/> "Woe is me, for I am ruined! Because I am a man of unclean lips, and live among a people of unclean lips; For my eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts"<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>If only people would repent and believe on Jesus. Lord please let me be a workman unashamed. I hope God blesses you in your service to our Lord and King.<BR/><BR/>BTW do you live in Oregon?<BR/><BR/>I live in Reesport on the Oregon Coast.<BR/><BR/>God Bless,<BR/><BR/>Tomtntraganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02001781892085758190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-42893534729409674252007-05-26T07:41:00.000-04:002007-05-26T07:41:00.000-04:00TNTRAGANApology accepted and no offense taken!I to...TNTRAGAN<BR/><BR/>Apology accepted and no offense taken!<BR/><BR/>I too have been a Christian for over 20 plus years. I have never really been involved in the hierarchy of church leadership but I have been involved in evangelism for pretty much all of the time that I have been a Christian. In high school it was D James Kennedies 'Evangelism Explosion', then it was Bill Bright's four spiritual laws, next I was then involved in YWAM's discipleship training school in Tacoma Washington and traveled throughout the western united states sharing the gospel via skits, plays, street witnessing, met up with Nicky Cruz and David Wilkerson on the streets of Hollywood in LA for inner city evangelism, hooked up with Keith Green and last days ministries at Jesus West Coast at a place called Devonshire Downs, I got to meet and speak to Keith here, it was about three weeks later that he and his two children went home, I also have had the opportunity to work with Winkie Pratney and Lauren Cunningham. Then in college it was Francis Anfuso's 'Two Question Test' along with open air preaching on campus at Oregon State University with AC Green, went to church and lived with AC for a time, we were involved in a very evangelistic church called Maranatha Campus Ministries together, to be honest with you Maranatha was the most legalistic group I have ever been involved with and I would have to say that it was so overboard that it was almost cult like in it's beliefs and evangelistic tactics. I only say all of this to say that the one thing that has impacted me more than anything else with regards to evangelism is that I do not need to do it! I am not under any legal mandate or am I forced in any way to share Christ! Although the organizations that I have served with and the leaders and men of God that I have been under have been a great blessing and I have learned and experienced much. All of this is rubbish compared with the surpassing greatness of God's love for me in that He has chosen me according to his good pleasure and He chooses to love me. I was as a infant left in the wilderness to die, wallowing in my own blood but He saw me and had compassion on me. He picked me up and raised me as a son with his only begotten son and He has assured my salvation and no one or nothing can remove me from that, I am his and there is nothing more I can do or need to do, He has done it all!!! <BR/>I do not have to evangelize anyone but I love Him so much for what He has done for me that I want to bring others to him, I get to sew seed and or water, I get to become less and less that He might become more and more. Of all the Evangelistic programs, gimmicks and methods I can tell you this, the pure un adulterated truth of the Gospel is the most powerful tool that I have, my presentation of it is not forced because it is so simple and it is out of pure love alone that I give it to others. To be honest with you it is a natural thing for me to share because I know that it is all Christ who causes it to bring increase and it is not of me or of any man made program, He alone brings the increase and draws all men to him. <BR/><BR/>Eph. 2:4-10;<BR/><BR/>4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.<BR/><BR/>The New King James Version. 1982 (Eph 2:4-10). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.<BR/><BR/>It is not only that it is not of our own works that we earn any part in our salvation, he chose to show kindness to us while we were dead in our tresspasses. It is just as true that we have no part in anyone elses salvation via evangelism it is all him. As the apostle Paul said;<BR/><BR/>1 Cor. 3:5-9;<BR/><BR/>5 What then is Apollos? What is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, as the Lord assigned to each. 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth. 7 So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth. 8 He who plants and he who waters are one, and each will receive his wages according to his labor. 9 For we are God’s fellow workers. You are God’s field, God’s building.<BR/> <BR/>The Holy Bible : English standard version. 2001 (1 Co 3:5-9). Wheaton: Standard Bible Society.<BR/><BR/>So in this great process of evangelism we are nothing, we present and God does the rest. Ultimately we are not responsible for nor do we get credit for the salvation of any man, we simply sow or water and we are rewarded for our work. What a great thing, there is no pressure in the sense that Christ does it all, I just present the pure and simple gospel. That being said, I understand that the method of presentation may be different for each one that we are presenting to but we should keep it as simple and un cluttered as possible for it is the Gospel that is the power of God to salvation and apart from it, apart from Him of whom it proclaims, there are none that are saved.<BR/><BR/>Romans 1:16-17<BR/><BR/>16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”<BR/><BR/>The New King James Version. 1982 (Ro 1:16-17). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.gigantor1231https://www.blogger.com/profile/13329932791380481665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-80740588335480564362007-05-26T03:37:00.000-04:002007-05-26T03:37:00.000-04:00Here are Ray Comforts comments on peoples accusati...Here are Ray Comforts comments on peoples accusations of not keeping his word.<BR/><BR/>-------------------------<BR/><BR/>Not Keeping my Word <BR/><BR/>There seems to be some confusion about the structure of the debate. A press release headline was changed, stating this would be a "Bible-less debate." That was never the case. In fact, I provided Brian (the atheist) with a copy of my outline some time before the debate. He knew that I would begin by demonstrating God's existence without using the Bible or faith (ie. creation proves there is a Creator). He then knew that I would then open up the Ten Commandments (ie. conscience proves there is a moral law and thus a Law Giver). Finally, he also knew that I would end with the gospel. He knew I planned to move from a presentation of the general evidence of God to specific proof about Jesus Christ. So it greatly puzzled us that Brian feigned "shock" when he heard it.<BR/><BR/>Despite these accusations, I am deeply thankful to God that the full gospel was preached on ABC's Home Page (they get 19 million visitors each month), and it is still going out all over the Internet, and will do for years to come. What an incredible opportunity we were given. Only eternity will tell what took place.<BR/><BR/>--------------------------------<BR/><BR/><BR/>Further up on this blog is a link to the whole article by Ray.<BR/><BR/>Tomtntraganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02001781892085758190noreply@blogger.com