tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post1665577265815870514..comments2024-03-24T03:21:03.154-04:00Comments on CAMPONTHIS: TO THE GOD OF OUR MANY UNDERSTANDINGS...Gay Bishop offers prayer to a god of his own creationSJ Camphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15844201288864307481noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-84888819097827078392009-01-21T07:52:00.000-05:002009-01-21T07:52:00.000-05:00When the heathen feel comfortable in the midst of ...When the heathen feel comfortable in the midst of a prayer we have done them an eternal disservice and have revealed the absence of the Spirit.Rick Fruehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05879848568892457571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-87644556569593987802009-01-21T07:27:00.000-05:002009-01-21T07:27:00.000-05:00Rick Warren's prayer? Generic and benign. He menti...Rick Warren's prayer? Generic and benign. He mentions the name of Jesus, but it was still ceremonial and impotent, and not unlike being asked to pray at the opening of a tavern or strip club or abortion clinic. Here is my inaugural prayer:<BR/><BR/>Heavenly Father,<BR/><BR/>Help us!<BR/><BR/>In Jesus name,<BR/><BR/>Amen.Rick Fruehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05879848568892457571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-63338079213797438672009-01-21T00:55:00.000-05:002009-01-21T00:55:00.000-05:00SteveMentioned this on another post here as well: ...<B>Steve</B><BR/>Mentioned this on another post here as well: did you hear Rick Warren's prayer today and if so, what were thoughts or reactions to it?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15482035785333389247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-35205802800755606932009-01-20T10:40:00.000-05:002009-01-20T10:40:00.000-05:00"The god that springs forth from darkened, futile ...<I>"The god that springs forth from darkened, futile understandings is a dark and depraved god, or in fact, no god at all, but as Steve, Rick and others have alluded to, a worthless idol of our own making."</I><BR/><BR/>Aye, I cannot at the moment recall which dear old saint said/wrote it, but it seems amply fitting at the present:<BR/><BR/><B><I>"God creates man in His image and man creates [a] god in his own image."</I></B><BR/><BR/>Grievous, heart-rending and every other synonymous adjective.Deb_Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03550673007910547814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-33588829964002372562009-01-20T10:27:00.000-05:002009-01-20T10:27:00.000-05:00My point (I left that out) in quoting the first tw...My point (I left that out) in quoting the first two scriptures above, as related to the "prayer", was this:<BR/>The god that springs forth from darkened, futile understandings is a dark and depraved god, or in fact, no god at all, but as Steve, Rick and others have alluded to, a worthless idol of our own making. And might spiritual powers not take hold on such invocations? (I realize I sound like a nut here.)<BR/>I was just wondering if the Lord will allow Satan to answer this pray. May God's mercy and judgment (used as He sees fit) prevail.Darrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03569660529270085289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-54964928297414400442009-01-20T10:14:00.000-05:002009-01-20T10:14:00.000-05:00Regarding (again) "god of our many UNDERSTANDINGS"...Regarding (again) "god of our many UNDERSTANDINGS" and all that followed, consider:<BR/><BR/>From Romans 1 -<BR/>"And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being ... WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING", etc.<BR/><BR/>From Ephesians 4:<BR/>"This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the FUTILITY of their MIND, having their UNDERSTANDING DARKENED, being alienated from the life of God, because of the IGNORANCE that is in them, because of the BLINDNESS of their heart ..."<BR/><BR/>And an exhortation to us believers, Ephesians 5:17 -<BR/>"So then do not be foolish, but UNDERSTAND what the will of the Lord is."Darrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03569660529270085289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-36208781944317239472009-01-20T10:09:00.000-05:002009-01-20T10:09:00.000-05:00"Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,and s..."Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,<BR/>and shrewd in their own sight!"<BR/><BR/>And God will allow those "who<BR/>hold the truth in unrighteousness" to continue in their way, and become reprobates. Romans 1<BR/><BR/>And this would be me, if not for God's great mercy and the power of the Gospel to save me, and open my heart.<BR/><BR/>May the Lord's mercy and salvation come upon these reprobates, and children of wrath, as it came upon this child of wrath. Amen.<BR/><BR/>This prayer is not even a prayer. It's without any authority whatsoever.<BR/>Sad, yes, and it makes me angry as well.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-27299855027625663762009-01-20T09:17:00.000-05:002009-01-20T09:17:00.000-05:00"How could a man who professes to be a Christian, ...<I>"How could a man who professes to be a Christian, even a Bishop, not mention in prayer the name of our Savior, Redeemer and Lord - Jesus?"</I><BR/><BR/>Perhaps the Bishop subscribes to the same line of thought as a growing number of Evangelicals do: Namely, that perhaps Christ isn't the <B>only</B> way through Whom we must come to God, the Father?<BR/><BR/>Which heresy decries <B><I>and denies</I></B> Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, making Him out to be a liar, which can never be. It flies in the face of our Lord's own words.<BR/><BR/><B><I>Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and mthe truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you had known me, you would have known my Father also.</I></B> [John 14:6-7]<BR/><BR/><B><I>Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.</I></B> [Matt 24:35, Mark 13:31, Luke 21:33]<BR/><BR/><B><I>Forever, O Lord, your word is firmly fixed in the heavens.</I></B><BR/><B><I>Long have I known from your testimonies that you have founded them forever.</I></B><BR/><B><I>The sum of your word is truth, and every one of your righteous rules endures forever.</I></B> [Ps 119:89,152,160]<BR/><BR/><B><I>Is not my word like fire, declares the Lord, and like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces?</I></B> [Jeremiah 23:29)Deb_Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03550673007910547814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-12464841085059760332009-01-20T03:06:00.000-05:002009-01-20T03:06:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Psalmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03127968553603930155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-22050735316666862792009-01-19T22:15:00.000-05:002009-01-19T22:15:00.000-05:00Hi all...I just read that link Cyd then the blog i...Hi all...<BR/><BR/>I just read that link Cyd then the blog in question...The owner posted this in the comments :<BR/><BR/>""Our society has taken on the idea from the Bible that sex should be between two married people. i no longer personally believe people have to be married to have sex. i don’t have a theological answer to base this view on"<BR/><BR/>It really says it all sheesh.. "i don’t have a theological answer to base this view on" <BR/><BR/><BR/>hmmmm you don't say ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-42470197568291750482009-01-19T21:03:00.000-05:002009-01-19T21:03:00.000-05:00S.J. and AllLivingdust asked'How could a man who p...S.J. and All<BR/><BR/>Livingdust asked<BR/><BR/>'How could a man who professes to be a Christian, even a Bishop, not mention in prayer the name of our Savior, Redeemer and Lord - Jesus?'<BR/><BR/>Mt. 7: 21-23<BR/><BR/>"21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’"<BR/><BR/>Not to mention<BR/><BR/>1 Jn. 3: 4-10<BR/><BR/>4 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that he appeared to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. 8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God. 10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother. <BR/><BR/>So, do not be deceived, this man is no man of God or follower of Christ. He is a tool of Satan. If this were not so he would not promote, condone or encourage in any way practicing sin, he himself proudly boasts of his own sin of homosexuality! <BR/>The question is, which is worse? Rick Warren encouraging Obama by stating that his move to use this sodomite leader of the church of satan is a brilliant move in promoting unity or Robinson being a self proclaimed sinner in the pulpit? I hope none of us are so blind to not see that these men are not of God, they are men that boast of and promote the flesh, purveyors of sin and promoters of death!gigantor1231https://www.blogger.com/profile/13329932791380481665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-86621276782926483872009-01-19T20:21:00.000-05:002009-01-19T20:21:00.000-05:00Homosexuals have been part of society since the Fa...Homosexuals have been part of society since the Fall of Man. Societies have dealt with them in many different ways - some have applauded them, some have executed them, some have ignored them, some have tolerated them. No matter what our present-day, secular society believes and enacts into law, we as human beings can know by the Holy Word of God and by the quiet voice of the Holy Spirit what behavior is sin. When we know it, we must flee from sin and ask God to help us be overcomers. Obviously Gene Robinson either hasn't read the Word of God to its fullest extent or he hasn't listened to the Holy Spirit or he refuses the counsel of both. How could a man who professes to be a Christian, even a Bishop, not mention in prayer the name of our Savior, Redeemer and Lord - Jesus?LivingDusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08720875895794590283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-60545533813916340152009-01-19T20:02:00.000-05:002009-01-19T20:02:00.000-05:00I think Bishop Robinson should be praying "To the ...I think Bishop Robinson should be praying "To the unknown God...". (Acts 17:23)<BR/><BR/>At best, he doesn't understand God. At worst, he doesn't know Him at all.Michele Rayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05815737949587713100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-84701966120622041452009-01-19T19:53:00.000-05:002009-01-19T19:53:00.000-05:00Hey Cyd :)I meant to say...the content there so bl...Hey Cyd :)<BR/><BR/>I <I>meant</I> to say...<BR/><BR/><I>the content there so blatantly anti-Scripture and so openly pro-homosexual.</I><BR/><BR/>(It's been a very long day)<BR/><BR/>Smarter folks than me have said all along, the second you depart from Scripture as your standard for living a God-pleasing life, you fling the door wide open to all kinds of subjective and/or experiential standards. Those same folks were saying this about the Emergent Church movement long ago, and sure enough they were dead on. <BR/><BR/>It's just sad to see it come to pass.Carla Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09395062089776262435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-78326930855133386742009-01-19T19:28:00.000-05:002009-01-19T19:28:00.000-05:00Hey Carla! :)I had the same reaction...heartbreaki...Hey Carla! :)<BR/><BR/>I had the same reaction...heartbreaking, indeed.<BR/>We can undoubtedly expect more of the same as time grows shorter.<BR/><BR/>Luke 17:29- 30cydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15517976881032870570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-3383460296740869022009-01-19T18:56:00.000-05:002009-01-19T18:56:00.000-05:00So we find ourselves with the inauguration of a Pr...So we find ourselves with the inauguration of a President, one of the great hallmarks of our democracy, being turned into a farce and in part featuring a man praying who has as his primary qualification that he has sex with other men. The Founding Fathers must be so proud...Arthur Sidohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03848508095612688493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-83305337859522983772009-01-19T18:43:00.000-05:002009-01-19T18:43:00.000-05:00Cyd,someone sent me that link earlier today (queer...Cyd,<BR/><BR/>someone sent me that link earlier today (queermergent) and at first I just had no interest at all in clicking it. <BR/><BR/>I've seen it now several times today and have clicked through to read, and must say I am not at all surprised to find the content there so openly emergent, and so openly pro-homosexual.<BR/><BR/>It's truly heartbreaking. I can't think of a better word right now.Carla Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09395062089776262435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-3183585710819055532009-01-19T13:24:00.000-05:002009-01-19T13:24:00.000-05:00Apostasy. Plain and simple. There is a reason I ...Apostasy. Plain and simple. There is a reason I am no longer an Episcopalian.<BR/><BR/>This man has no business being in the position of the priesthood, with his open, defiant, and public sin. This is a sad, sad day for American Christians, when "tolerance" has replaced virtue and scriptural understanding.Tak178https://www.blogger.com/profile/08611092667965227298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-58969380075512829692009-01-19T12:46:00.000-05:002009-01-19T12:46:00.000-05:00"O God of our many understandings..."Could someone...<B><I>"O God of our many understandings..."</I></B><BR/><BR/>Could someone please explain to me exactly what this means? "...of our many understandings..."???????? I'm quite certain he wasn't praying to the God of the sixth chapter of Isaiah.<BR/><BR/><B><I>"....our many understandings..."</I></B>????? Tower of Babel.Deb_Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03550673007910547814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-5384440835914615512009-01-19T12:44:00.000-05:002009-01-19T12:44:00.000-05:00Excellent article, Ken. Thanks for the reference....Excellent article, Ken. Thanks for the reference. <BR/><BR/>Lest there be any misunderstanding from my previous comment, I think<BR/>Bishop Robinson's prayer is a clear depiction of darkness parading as light. We can probably expect a deluge of this type of 'prayer' in our country's churches, as the emerging church has already flung the doors wide open for it. See this mess: <BR/><BR/>http://blog.beliefnet.com/tonyjones/2009/01/announcing-queermergent.html<BR/><BR/>Clearly we as believers in the Lord Jesus Christ are facing very dark days ahead.. .persecution as enemies of the state, as the biggest 'haters' and 'lunatics' on the planet, etc., just like the precious cloud of witnesses endured before us. But, to quote a dear Chinese pastor who had been severely tortured and imprisoned for preaching the Gospel, "Persecution good for Church!" <BR/><BR/>Eph.6:10-18<BR/>2Tim. 3:12<BR/>Romans 8:35-39cydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15517976881032870570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-37250646108398144892009-01-19T12:04:00.000-05:002009-01-19T12:04:00.000-05:00"God of our many understandings..."Translation: "T...<I>"God of our many understandings..."</I><BR/><BR/>Translation: "To our 'Play-Doh God'...(in whatever form we wish to mold you at any given moment)..."<BR/>or maybe "Silly Putty God" is more befitting...<BR/><BR/>Sigh...it's going to be long week.littlegal_66https://www.blogger.com/profile/11385398360700890136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-67191654445392488402009-01-19T11:02:00.000-05:002009-01-19T11:02:00.000-05:00C.S. Lewis once stated, "Odd the way the less the ...C.S. Lewis once stated, "Odd the way the less the bible is read the more it is translated." Sadly, that is the pulse of our "Christian nation". We need to pray, love, and reach out. It's time for the church to start being the church!Rob Peckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17362112767758612001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-36981064712793537952009-01-19T10:39:00.000-05:002009-01-19T10:39:00.000-05:00S.J.And then there is Rick Warren! At least we hav...S.J.<BR/><BR/>And then there is Rick Warren! <BR/>At least we have him there... yeah right. <BR/>It is more important to be unified than it is to live in the truth. I expect a sodomite bishop to pray a prayer like this, but I bet Warren will really take the cake. We already know that He thinks Obama is brilliant for including the mouth piece of perverts, gotta have that unity before truth because truth just is not as important. Do I here 'bring in the clowns' playing in the background?gigantor1231https://www.blogger.com/profile/13329932791380481665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-59502612522528493442009-01-19T10:11:00.000-05:002009-01-19T10:11:00.000-05:00The tragic thing is that Robinson, who is the Epis...The tragic thing is that Robinson, who is the Episcopal Bishop of NH where I happen to live, is deceived through the practice of his contemplative spirituality.<BR/><BR/>As I show in my article "The Emerging Church Soon To Put Forth A Gay Face" Robinson believes God is moving the Church to affirm the practice of homosexuality:<BR/><BR/>"I’m deeply pained over all the difficulty that this has caused. But I have to say I believe that this is where God is leading the whole Church; just as God lead us to the full inclusion of people of color, and of women and people in wheelchairs and any number of people who had previously been marginalized."<BR/><BR/>http://apprising.org/2008/12/the-emerging-church-to-soon-t-put-forth-a-gay-face/Ken Silvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01390319268507275969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-70562006576089326022009-01-19T10:05:00.000-05:002009-01-19T10:05:00.000-05:00"...the understanding that our new president is a ..."...the understanding that our new president is a human being, not a messiah."<BR/><BR/>Well, at least he got that part right.cydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15517976881032870570noreply@blogger.com