tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post113959734038637536..comments2024-03-24T03:21:03.154-04:00Comments on CAMPONTHIS: Entertainment... An Evangelical Heresy?...challenging words from Tozer's penSJ Camphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15844201288864307481noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-30900795403395279882010-04-16T19:41:58.896-04:002010-04-16T19:41:58.896-04:00Amen Steve, amenAmen Steve, amenMichael Corleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06129136025381047013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-73375052651957971612010-04-16T16:39:53.308-04:002010-04-16T16:39:53.308-04:00I should add that I do not want to confuse what wa...I should add that I do not want to confuse what was being said in the post. I didn't come away from reading it as a critique on music, only that as it relates to "entertainment" music is the area I have most considered in my own life.Gabrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06046795392439923199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-82940078552824014062010-04-16T11:29:31.649-04:002010-04-16T11:29:31.649-04:00Nothing is a substitute for the message of the Cro...Nothing is a substitute for the message of the Cross and there is no worship but that which takes place in the heart of a believer. <br /><br />As a musician in a local Christian band in our town the "entertainment" aspect of what we do is something we have discussed amongst ourselves many times. I am of the opinion that if one is not "entertained" by music then the music has not been good, but I do not think the goal of a Christian talented in an art form should be entertainment, although if done well I think the music, the drama, etc, will be "entertaining" in the sense that it is enjoyed. <br /><br />There are, I think, two extremes on this subject. One is completely shutting the door to anything or anyone that exhibits talent in what we call "the arts" for fear the flesh is exalted, to the allowing of anything that calls itself "creative" no matter how devoid of grace lest we be thought of as unsophisticated. Not everything that calls itself "ministry" is ministry, and there is much that is superficial and embarrassing, but there is the good and edifying too. We must be discerning. If Jesus is exalted as Lord from a sincere heart filled with His Spirit it seems to me that that is preaching...even if accompanied by a guitar or drum.<br /><br />My two cents - I do not mean to pretend that it means more than anyone else's.<br /><br />Only my second comment in years of reading but as always brother Steve, a thought provoking post.Gabrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06046795392439923199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-91043135935450790612010-04-15T10:01:33.090-04:002010-04-15T10:01:33.090-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1139926251038613672006-02-14T09:10:00.000-05:002006-02-14T09:10:00.000-05:00Steve: "When the Apostle Paul uses the phrase, "th...Steve: "When the Apostle Paul uses the phrase, "the foolishness of preaching" in 1 Cor. 1, he is not referring to the act of preaching; BUT, "the foolishness of the message preached..." The emphasis is on the cross, the gospel--not the means of a preachment."<BR/><BR/>Me: I think we agree about this Steve, but just for clarification;<BR/>1. Would you agree that God's means for spreading the Gospel is by preaching?<BR/>2. Would you further agree that although we may use means to draw a crowd, that those means should never eclipse God's means?Jeremy Weaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02552780649310262425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1139850820236989742006-02-13T12:13:00.000-05:002006-02-13T12:13:00.000-05:00I have read and re-read this post several times an...I have read and re-read this post several times and am deeply convicted personally to watch more closely over my life and the message it sends. My participation in Church too. Does anyone who knows me believe that I love the Lord and am governed by His Spirit?<BR/><BR/>I gotta say, some of the words really stung, but stung like a doctor's needle delivering a vaccine.<BR/><BR/>Thanks Steve.<BR/><BR/>(I've linked to your post by the way)~Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01819856178499938127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1139767673609539242006-02-12T13:07:00.000-05:002006-02-12T13:07:00.000-05:00Steve Camp,Makes total sense. That's what I thoug...Steve Camp,<BR/><BR/>Makes total sense. That's what I thought as well.Shawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06809663608386103910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1139761266445601592006-02-12T11:21:00.000-05:002006-02-12T11:21:00.000-05:00I am snowed in today. Got 16" of snow last night h...I am snowed in today. Got 16" of snow last night here in Baltimore. My wife and I spent some time in prayer and worshipping our Lord. We especially prayed for our lost family memebers. But we prayed for our church to stay Christ-centered and excited in the promises of God, which are fulfilled in Christ our Sovereign King. And we thanked Him for all our many blessings.<BR/>I like some of Jim Carey's movies. This guy is very talented. But what if he gains the whole world? I pray the Lord would have mercy on His soul. But he does make me laugh.<BR/>Have blessed Day.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1139759149896463852006-02-12T10:45:00.000-05:002006-02-12T10:45:00.000-05:001. When the Apostle Paul uses the phrase, "the foo...<B>1.</B> When the Apostle Paul uses the phrase, "the foolishness of preaching" in 1 Cor. 1, he is not referring to the act of preaching; BUT, "the foolishness of the message preached..." The emphasis is on the cross, the gospel--not the means of a preachment. <BR/><BR/><B>2.</B> The Jim Carrey thing further reveals the outrageousness of these items posted. I.E. Noll going to Notre Dame? Warren's PDL for Romanists? Chavez ousting missionaries?<BR/><BR/>Have a good Lord's Day<BR/>Steve<BR/>2 Cor. 4:5-7SJ Camphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844201288864307481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1139752002810451552006-02-12T08:46:00.000-05:002006-02-12T08:46:00.000-05:00Could you explain the Jim Carrey thing to me? I d...Could you explain the Jim Carrey thing to me? I don't see it.<BR/>Campi, Better watch out around that Centuri0n feller! He's a bad, bad influence. Look what he's done to me!<BR/>:-)Jeremy Weaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02552780649310262425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1139727316290395122006-02-12T01:55:00.000-05:002006-02-12T01:55:00.000-05:00I love to read and write media, to work at novels ...I love to read and write media, to work at novels and do my part on stage--but the doxoblogist has a point. God gives us talents--and Jesus was a great storyteller. But ultimately it's preaching that fulfills the Great Commission.S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17837935608478990346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1139709499643824422006-02-11T20:58:00.000-05:002006-02-11T20:58:00.000-05:00The Jim Carrey thing is a bit of tongue and cheek ...The Jim Carrey thing is a bit of tongue and cheek humor I know. <BR/><BR/>The side column piece I launched a few weeks ago called "Out of Their Minds" is also a play on words. I thought adding the Carrey pic with his familiar "alrighty then" had a kind of "outside the box" Centurion wit and appeal (thanks to Frank's influence).<BR/><BR/>Hope you like it...<BR/>C@mpiSJ Camphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844201288864307481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1139707389338523772006-02-11T20:23:00.000-05:002006-02-11T20:23:00.000-05:00I guess Ironic isn't the word, but it was funny a ...I guess Ironic isn't the word, but it was funny a bit in my mind. <BR/><BR/>Thank Tim.Shawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06809663608386103910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1139707289747543422006-02-11T20:21:00.000-05:002006-02-11T20:21:00.000-05:00Am I the only weird that noticed this post and saw...Am I the only weird that noticed this post and saw the Jim Carrey thing and thought it was ironic.Shawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06809663608386103910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1139697581085934482006-02-11T17:39:00.000-05:002006-02-11T17:39:00.000-05:00Steve,I guess this goes way deeper than what you h...Steve,<BR/><BR/>I guess this goes way deeper than what you have said on previous posts then. Maybe you should call them to repentance for even making a film (period).:)Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07501824179760999458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1139690811219476952006-02-11T15:46:00.000-05:002006-02-11T15:46:00.000-05:00WOW! Challenging thoughts here. Tozer was certainl...WOW! Challenging thoughts here. Tozer was certainly someone who had an idea about what worship is and how it is to be carried out. The entertainment phenomenon is probably one of the greatest contributing factors to the current lukewarmness of the church.Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18042761082770423304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1139663389059925762006-02-11T08:09:00.000-05:002006-02-11T08:09:00.000-05:00AMEN, Doxoblogist! And Amen!It is GOD who decides ...AMEN, Doxoblogist! And Amen!<BR/><BR/>It is GOD who decides how His message will be spread, and He has chosen the foolishness of preaching. There was never a time when preaching the gospel was the hip, culturally relevant way to get the word out. It defies the wisdom of man which demands that we find some other way to do it, some way that will be more readily accepted by the world.Gordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527530618839981892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1139621479838409552006-02-10T20:31:00.000-05:002006-02-10T20:31:00.000-05:00And when media is gone, God's Word will still stan...And when media is gone, God's Word will still stand.Jeremy Weaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02552780649310262425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1139621445790098052006-02-10T20:30:00.000-05:002006-02-10T20:30:00.000-05:00I suppose God could have chosen Steven Spielberg t...I suppose God could have chosen Steven Spielberg to be His Apostle and spread the Good News through the theater, but He didn't.<BR/>Instead He chose a fisherman, a tax collector, a persecutor, etc.<BR/>He then inspired them to write down His words, and through them gave us this charge, "PREACH the Gospel."Jeremy Weaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02552780649310262425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1139602086525697432006-02-10T15:08:00.000-05:002006-02-10T15:08:00.000-05:00Tozer was one of the great no-reformed men of God,...Tozer was one of the great no-reformed men of God, who truly humbles me.Thanks for sharing his words, which are more appropriate than ever.<BR/><BR/>Being a dedicated self denying follower of Christ our Lord is hard work. The Puritans sailed across an ocean, and that was hard stuff. <BR/>May our generation find this to be their lot as well, not sail an ocean, but to be disciplned in His Word, and set sail spiritually from this evil culturally corrupt generation. Amen.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.com