tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post113959534760617883..comments2024-03-29T05:31:07.363-04:00Comments on CAMPONTHIS: Practical Godliness...by Arthur W. PinkSJ Camphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15844201288864307481noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-42475006092693038812008-01-06T10:13:00.000-05:002008-01-06T10:13:00.000-05:00dogpreacher,If you join Pink in thinking that the ...dogpreacher,<BR/><BR/>If you join Pink in thinking that the FIRST great need of the new convert is to search the Scriptures to find out what God "forbids ad what He commands", then I can only say that you have fallen for Performance-based Christianity.<BR/><BR/>The FIRST great need of the new convert is to search the Scriptures for Christ Himself in order to develop a close fellowship with Him, be being filled with His Spirit, and walk in His Spirit. All this in the context of drinking in the understanding of the radical nature of Grace, and the meaning of Romans 6:14 which says that we are not under Law, but Grace.<BR/><BR/>A Performance-based Christian can't understand Romans 6:14.<BR/><BR/>This is the New Covenant, wherein God unilaterally gives us a new heart, places His laws in our hearts and mind, and "causes" us to walk in His ways.<BR/><BR/>With this new heart, the true convert WILL indeed desire to know the heart and will of the Lord, and the Lord will indeed work in him both to will and to do for His good pleasure.<BR/><BR/>But if the new convert is taught that Performance is #1, then the blind continue to lead the blind, and he will stay off of the ground of Grace, and on the ground of Law, and the Holy Spirit will be quenched.<BR/><BR/>Blessings,<BR/>TerryTerry Rayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00888533194435826837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-61715885771995582972008-01-05T18:45:00.000-05:002008-01-05T18:45:00.000-05:00“Your sins have withholden good things from you” (...<I>“Your sins have withholden good things from you”</I> (Jer 5:25). <BR/><BR/><I>"If you have been genuinely converted, then <B>your first concern</B> must be to form all the details of your life-in the home, in the church, in the world-so as <B>to please God."</B></I><BR/><BR/><B><I>Very</I></B> good for me. Really. Thank you for posting Pink's timely scriptural reminder(s).littlegal_66https://www.blogger.com/profile/11385398360700890136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-2909916109205154702008-01-05T05:59:00.000-05:002008-01-05T05:59:00.000-05:00What Pink is saying is a Christian, a born again (...What Pink is saying is a Christian, a born again (regenerated by the Word and Spirit) Christian gets his ability to act from God's will rather than from self-will from God Himself via God's free grace, but that that doesn't manifest at the practical level in a void of ignorance. God's revelation - His revealed Word - is always the wild card in these discussions regarding God's will in us vs. pre-regeneration and even post-regeneration will. <BR/><BR/>And methinks Pink has earned the right to not be mistaken as a synergistic type, right?, so what he is talking about is what occurs on the already eternally-set foundation of justification, which justification is all of God and Jesus Christ's passive and active obedience appropriated, by the will of God, by faith alone. <BR/><BR/>The ability of a man to 'do' changes once regenerated and justified. The apostle Paul himself speaks of levels of reward in the afterlife.The Puritanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12200009028083050918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-46435857561541861682008-01-04T16:27:00.000-05:002008-01-04T16:27:00.000-05:00Dogpreacher and all that Disagree with Terry'Your ...Dogpreacher and all that Disagree with Terry<BR/><BR/>'Your (Terry Rayburn) labeling Pink as a legalist is a display of ignorance.'<BR/><BR/>Perhaps you should extend some grace to Terry, just like God has extended you grace in order that you might be able to obey his law! It is only by his grace that we are able to fulfill anything that He has told us that we need to fulfill, it is only by grace that we are saved. You still have nothing to boast of in yourself, even after you have been saved, it is all of Him, it is all of grace!!!<BR/>I agree with Terry in that Pink in his presentation is stiff and un-flexible. The following statement seems to set the direction for the rest of what Mr. Pink says;<BR/><BR/>'There has to be an emptying of self before there is the filling of the Spirit.'<BR/><BR/>We were dead in our trespasses and sins, completely dead, and then by His by his grace, faith came through that Gospel, Christ's atoning sacrifice, and we were made alive by His spirit, filled with His spirit. It was not of works or performance, lest any man should boast and you still have no boasting even after being saved for your entire Christian life! Your love for Him and your obedience to Him is not of yourself but it is all of His doing! We do not follow Him out of legal mandate, we do not obey him as though we are under the rod but we obey Him out of pure love, a love that springs from what a great thing He has done for us, He has done it ALL, it is truly amazing grace!<BR/>Does any of this discount what Mr. Pink says, no! Those things still need to be filled, the flesh needs to be killed on a daily basis, and He gives us the power to do it! It is all of grace and none of legal mandate, lest grace be nullified. If you do not rely on His grace entirely and totally as a Christian then you will inevitably develop a err of self righteousness, but are we not all a people of Grace, there is nothing in ourselves that can merit our salvation and there is nothing in our selves that can earn His pleasure in us, it is all of Him!gigantor1231https://www.blogger.com/profile/13329932791380481665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-64186796739491402062008-01-04T12:28:00.000-05:002008-01-04T12:28:00.000-05:00John 14:21 NRSV "They who have my commandments an...John 14:21 NRSV "They who have my commandments and keep them are those who love me; and those who love me will be loved by my Father, and I will love them and reveal myself to them."<BR/><BR/><BR/>JeffScriptureZealothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01288800271608192280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-86291578655857557362008-01-04T11:16:00.000-05:002008-01-04T11:16:00.000-05:00A.W. Pink is such a blessing.in Him,Devin Murphyfo...A.W. Pink is such a blessing.<BR/><BR/>in Him,<BR/>Devin Murphy<BR/><BR/>for a new, relevant, uncheesy Christian community based around group forums for topics, or churches, and church small groups, check out www.livekite.comChristian buzzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210474534948320237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1141069362215175392006-02-27T14:42:00.000-05:002006-02-27T14:42:00.000-05:00Thanks for the article Steve!Pink's commentary on ...Thanks for the article Steve!<BR/><BR/>Pink's commentary on the "Gospel of John" is unparalleled, as well as his "Exposition of Hebrews", and his "Gleanings Series".<BR/><BR/>Having stated the obvious (at least to those of us who have ACTUALLY read extensive volumes by the man),....Your (Terry Rayburn) labeling Pink as a legalist is a display of ignorance.<BR/><BR/>Mr. Rayburn, is it not still true that "Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man." (Ecc.12:13)?<BR/><BR/>It would also appear that you would include the Apostle John in the same legalist category as Mr. Pink, for his writings in 1 John. The whole essence of 1 John is that our love for God is evidenced by our keeping His commandments. <BR/><BR/>What BOTH the Apostle John & Mr. Pink understood was...."But the one who keeps His word, in him truly is the love of God perfected; HEREBY (emphasis mine) know we that we are in Him"(1 John 2:5). <BR/><BR/>YOU said:"The legalism is illustrated in the above post by the following:"<BR/><BR/>THEN you showed the excerpt of Pink...which is actually wonderful...because it is biblical!<BR/><BR/>YOU then give your version of the new converts "first great need, and primary duty", which is also very good, but DOES NOT occur without (as Pink stated) FIRST "diligently searching the scriptures..."<BR/><BR/>Dear Mr. Rayburn, there is no "legalism" in this quote by Mr. Pink...just sound advice from the writers of the Bible as inspired by God.<BR/><BR/>You are not the first to misunderstand Mr. Pink. A renowned writer (Ian H. Murray) wrote a SECOND biography of the life of A.W. Pink, apologizing for the disservice he did to him in the first!!<BR/><BR/>grateful for grace,<BR/>The Dogpreacherdogpreacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14126765017002042276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1139684696493509842006-02-11T14:04:00.000-05:002006-02-11T14:04:00.000-05:00Great thoughts here gentlemen--thank you!The good ...Great thoughts here gentlemen--thank you!<BR/><BR/>The good news is we are saved by grace <A HREF="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=ephesians+2%3A8-9" REL="nofollow"><B>(Eph. 2:8-9);</B></A> we are sanctified by grace <A HREF="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=romans+5%3A2" REL="nofollow"><B>(Rom. 5:2;</B></A> <A HREF="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=titus+2%3A11-12" REL="nofollow"><B>Titus 2:11-12);</B></A> we are to be strong in the grace that is found in Christ Jesus our Lord <A HREF="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=2+timothy+2%3A1" REL="nofollow"><B>(2 Tim. 2:1);</B></A> for apart from Him we can do nothing <A HREF="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=john+15%3A5" REL="nofollow"><B>(John 15:5).</B></A> <BR/><BR/>Grace elects our salvation; grace equips us in sanctification; grace engages us in our service for Him; and grace brings about glorification.<BR/><BR/>What a grace upon grace filled life we live... by grace!<BR/>Steve<BR/><A HREF="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=2+corinthians+12%3A12" REL="nofollow"><B>2 Cor. 12:12</B></A> <BR/><BR/>PS - I just added the 1644 London Baptist Confession of Faith and the Creeds of Christendom under Creeds, Confessions and Devotionals - check it out!SJ Camphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844201288864307481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1139675781188877602006-02-11T11:36:00.000-05:002006-02-11T11:36:00.000-05:00There is such a fine line there isn't there. And a...There is such a fine line there isn't there. And an everlasting struggle.<BR/>Jesus said love me. Jesus said obey me. If we obey Him, then it shows we love Him, and if we love Him we will obey Him. When we're disobedient, our Father disciplines, and when we obey in faith it brings him glory and pleases Him.<BR/>Paul said, He is what he is by the grace of God, and that he worked harder than all the other Aposltes. "God is active, and we are active, God is passive and we are passive". Edwards quote.<BR/><BR/>We love Him for He first loved us.<BR/>Enjoyed reading your thoughts.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1139637915179017362006-02-11T01:05:00.000-05:002006-02-11T01:05:00.000-05:00The church owes much to Pink for his The Sovereign...The church owes much to Pink for his <I>The Sovereignty of God</I>, which has been used by God to instruct many in the Doctrines of Grace regarding initial salvation.<BR/><BR/>But like so many Covenant Theologians, after magnifying the pure grace of God for <B>initial</B> salvation, he falls back into the performance-based model of the Christian life <B>after</B> salvation. <BR/><BR/>Tainted by Old Covenant thinking, he saw the Christian life as one of "blessings and cursings" based on the keeping or non-keeping of commandments.<BR/><BR/>This legalism is illustrated in the above post by the following:<BR/><BR/><I>"the first great need, and the primary duty of every young convert...[is] to diligently search the Scriptures in order to find out what is pleasing and displeasing to God, what He forbids and what He commands."</I><BR/><BR/>This reduction of the Christian life to the rules and regulations of the Bible is one of the biggest pieces of wool ever pulled over the eyes of the church. Why? Because it sounds so good. And logical.<BR/><BR/>But the truth is that the "first great need, and the primary duty" of the new convert is to draw near to the Lord, to be filled with His Spirit, and to walk by the Spirit, thereby manifesting the very Life of Christ. <BR/><BR/>This new convert needs to be taught the basics of the New Covenant, in which he, too, was crucified with Christ, and now has Christ living through him.<BR/><BR/>He needs to understand walking by faith, not by sight.<BR/><BR/>He needs to understand that when Jesus said, "It is finished," that He meant it, and there is no longer any barrier between himself and God.<BR/> <BR/>He needs to understand that God loves and accepts him in Christ, so that when he is deceived by the world, the flesh and the devil, and falls into sin, he doesn't have to hide himself from the Father, but can run to Him like the prodigal son. And the Father will run to him with a robe, and ring, and calf dinner.<BR/><BR/>He needs to first understand grace -- grace for initial salvation, and grace <B>after salvation</B>.<BR/><BR/>Only then can he consistently rejoice in the precepts of the Lord, joyfully walking in His ways, not grudgingly striving to avoid guilt or gain God's blessings.<BR/><BR/>TerryTerry Rayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00888533194435826837noreply@blogger.com