tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post112488983912606923..comments2024-03-24T03:21:03.154-04:00Comments on CAMPONTHIS: J-Mac on Larry King Live...a stellar performance; "ECBers" - pay attentionSJ Camphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15844201288864307481noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1125069103370929132005-08-26T11:11:00.000-04:002005-08-26T11:11:00.000-04:00Excellent. I recently heard an interview with Joh...Excellent. I recently heard an interview with John MacArthur. The question was something like: "What do you think your most important books are?"<BR/><BR/>He responded by including his book on Creation in the list.<BR/><BR/>We do need a Christian worldview--not just isolated bits of theological thought.<BR/><BR/>Good post.John R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00494719223133966785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1125014914087143122005-08-25T20:08:00.000-04:002005-08-25T20:08:00.000-04:00Shawn, When I witness I always like to ask questio...Shawn, <BR/><BR/>When I witness I always like to ask questions about the Titanic first since every one knows about it. I like to ask the question: Why do you think every body left half of the lifeboats off? They usually respond by saying: Well they didn't think the boat was going to sink and so they felt they didn't need them.<BR/><BR/>I then ask them to consider that we are all on the Titanic in one sense since we will all die one day and this world is slowly ebbing away. I then hand them a Gospel of John if I have one handy and ask them to consider Jesus being the only lifeboat and that many reject Him thinking they don't need him out of the same pride and confidence that man had thinking the Titanic wouldn't sink.<BR/><BR/>The responses vary from that point but it does open up conversation with Yeshua as the focal point and we go from there.Bhedrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08091896907803479900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1125014375552252162005-08-25T19:59:00.000-04:002005-08-25T19:59:00.000-04:00Shawn,You bless my heart boo! I will be praying fo...Shawn,<BR/><BR/>You bless my heart boo! I will be praying for you. You are reaching brother! Praise God!<BR/>Ther are none better than men like James White and MacArthur to pool resources. Please consider visiting Moody and Dr Lutzer's books as well. He is indeed good as well.<BR/><BR/>BrianBhedrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08091896907803479900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1125011146848531942005-08-25T19:05:00.000-04:002005-08-25T19:05:00.000-04:00Ever notice how scientists go about trying to find...Ever notice how scientists go about trying to find out how many millions of years old the universe is...instead of asking "just how old is it?"? I think this also reveals a presupposition most scientists have but most won't admit to.This issue was brought to my attention by a biology professor (now retired)from a Christian college in Southern California.Denisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14770822482205703050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1124995745531601992005-08-25T14:49:00.000-04:002005-08-25T14:49:00.000-04:00Shawn, You may want to peruse Dr. MacArthur's boo...Shawn, You may want to peruse Dr. MacArthur's book, <I>The Battle for the Beginning</I>. Tim Chailles has reviewed it here:<BR/><BR/>http://www.challies.com/archives/001249.php<BR/><BR/>Also, speaking of Brother Tim, he's posted his own transript of the Larry King debate. If you ask me, this is the transcript of every debate on this issue these days:<BR/><BR/>Evolutionist: Creation is religion and has no place being taught as science. <BR/><BR/>Creationist: Intelligent Design is science and should receive equal billing. <BR/><BR/>Evolutionist: You're an irrational, religious lunatic. Get a clue. <BR/><BR/>Creationist: Intelligent Design is science. Don't you understand this? It isn't religion. It's science. <BR/><BR/>Evolutionist: Creation is religion. Evolution is science. Neener neener. <BR/><BR/>Creationist: <I>Intelligent Design</I> is SCIENCE! IT'S NOT RELIGION! WE DON'T WANT TO INDOCTRINATE YOUR CHILDREN! <BR/><BR/>Evolutionist: You just want to indoctrinate our children. <BR/><BR/>Creationist: Perhaps you should consult an ear specialist. <BR/><BR/>Evolutionist: I'm taking my ball and going home!GeneMBridgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504383610477532374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1124991501706776702005-08-25T13:38:00.000-04:002005-08-25T13:38:00.000-04:00Shawn,The method I favor actually tends to vary fr...Shawn,<BR/><BR/>The method I favor actually tends to vary from person to person, though I tend to favor presuppositionalism more often than not. I tend to view things in terms of logic, and I agree with Geisler in that all unbelieving systems contain within them one or more self-refuting, contradictory statements. If you can find that and press it, then you can make your own apologetic. I tend to make a positive case using evidentialism. I make a negative case by examining others' presuppositions. That's me, in a nutshell.<BR/><BR/>I strongly suggest, if you want to hone your apologetic skills, you head over to www.carm.org to the discussion boards. (The link is on the left hand side). IMO, that's one ofthe best places to lurk and/or participate in discussions you will find these days.GeneMBridgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504383610477532374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1124978298864400652005-08-25T09:58:00.000-04:002005-08-25T09:58:00.000-04:00Hello brothers/sister,I'm in the process of talkin...Hello brothers/sister,<BR/><BR/>I'm in the process of talking/emailing to an ex-hindu who believes in evolution and this article from Macarthur is helpful. I've been sharing scripture after scripture and he has such interest in this since I am a computer programmer as well. He's 21 in India, could you pray for him and for me that I would be bolding sharing Christ. Also my sister and family is listening and hearing the gospel alot as well. God is doing a marvelous work. May we pray for a heart for the lost.<BR/><BR/>Having said that what kind of apologetics do you normally do in your daily lives. Evidential <BR/>apologetics vs. Presuppositional school. I would say in my normal conversations I start with casting down presuppositional ideas of others and bring the scripture to light.<BR/><BR/>Could anyone expand on their thoughts about sharing the faith in the public and how that relates to you type of apologetics. I think it would be profitable. May God use us for His Glory to be displayed to the nations.Shawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06809663608386103910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1124977499732460822005-08-25T09:44:00.000-04:002005-08-25T09:44:00.000-04:00Hello,For those who don't have cable. My walk did...Hello,<BR/><BR/>For those who don't have cable. My walk didn't enjoy having cable, probably because I wasted so much time with TV that was not profitable (I know it was in my evil heart to do that, not that cable in itself is bad). <BR/><BR/>Now that I have rabbit ears I feel better because much of the time I can't watch tv because it is so hard to watch.<BR/><BR/>However I do remember missing these kinds of things without cable.<BR/><BR/>Having said that does anyone know of a way to buy an online web version of the video. Is Grace to You or CNN making it available to anyone?<BR/><BR/>To me they should be selling TV shows like this instead of waiting for the tape.Shawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06809663608386103910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1124946482654153262005-08-25T01:08:00.000-04:002005-08-25T01:08:00.000-04:00tim wirth said I think Larry has John on so much b...tim wirth said <I>I think Larry has John on so much because John does not waver and waffle on his beliefs. </I><BR/><BR/>I agree with you, tim. It's pretty obvious that King always gives J-Mac the hard questions and expects to get a good answer. This was quite obvious the last time he appeared, on the "What happens when you die" discussion. King knows that Mac will be consistent, and he is. And he doesn't waffle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1124923720696843472005-08-24T18:48:00.000-04:002005-08-24T18:48:00.000-04:00Macarthur did an awesome job from my standpoint as...Macarthur did an awesome job from my standpoint as well - I only wish I could have seen more of the interview --- and what authority does Deepak have on this subject?????Timotheoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16880788118136612744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1124919432561158512005-08-24T17:37:00.000-04:002005-08-24T17:37:00.000-04:00Yes, Forrest is either ignorant or being deliberat...Yes, Forrest is either ignorant or being deliberately dishonest in her presentation. Does she not realize that this is the internet age? She was on national television with a representative of the Discovery Institute saying that they in particular have no evidence and are all a bunch of religious fanatics. Any enterprising 7th grader could type "Discovery Institute" into any search engine and read exactly the opposite of Forrest's claims for themselves. Such dishonesty shows how bankrupt she and those like her have become.GeneMBridgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504383610477532374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1124912646605132702005-08-24T15:44:00.000-04:002005-08-24T15:44:00.000-04:00We got to see through the evolutionists last night...We got to see through the evolutionists last night. They brought up religion and then blamed MacArthur for it. They have ignored all the evidence presented by the ID's and when Dr. Forrest said that they haven't produced any evidence shew showed her own ignorance of the issue.Jeremy Weaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02552780649310262425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1124911842316436662005-08-24T15:30:00.000-04:002005-08-24T15:30:00.000-04:00Wow..Dr. McArthur was so....so...so un-Warren like...Wow..Dr. McArthur was so....so...so un-Warren like!Sparkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03428323970838259636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1124910958015647342005-08-24T15:15:00.000-04:002005-08-24T15:15:00.000-04:00I was impressed with the way Dr. MacArthur redefin...I was impressed with the way Dr. MacArthur redefined the debate. It was painfully obvious from Dr. Forrest's first comments that she was trying the old "religion/science" bait and switch scam to make the debate about creationism vs. evolution not ID vs. evolution. As I point out to folks here when this discussion is raised, people like Forrest do this to avoid discussing ID. On one hand, they almost consistently say that naturalistic evolution is "science" because of it methodology, not its conclusion; yet on the other they say that ID is "theology" or "religion" because of its conclusion. What then constitutes "science" or "religion?" Why are they using one standard of measurement for one view but not the other. This is why they try to conflate creationism and ID, because that way they can hide what they are doing. It's a classic flim-flam scam. Forrest, by the way, is the one who originated the "Wedge Document" urban legend.<BR/><BR/>Larry King is also the clever liberal. Here he is trying to have a "debate" on this issue, but he gets six people on his panel! Obviously, this cost some money, since they were going to commercials every two or three minutes and barely getting a chance to discuss the issues. If King was actually interested in having an honest debate, he would put Forrest and William Dembski (or better yet one of Discovery Institute's agnostics...just to irk Forrest, for such a person completely disproves her "ID is theology" assertion by his mere presence) on and actually present the issues fairly. <BR/><BR/>As for Deepak Chopra, I too could tell that Dr. MacArthur and Chopra were having a rather animated discussion between commercials. When Chopra quipped, "In mythological terms," and MacArthur immediately looked at him and said, "It's not mythological anything," I nearly feel off my seat laughing. Chopra's line after MacArthur's opening, about MacArthur having to deny all of cosmology, biology, physics, etc. was typical. He tried something similar with Greg Koukl on Lee Strobel's show a few months ago and Koukl cleaned his clock big time. <BR/><BR/>Chopra is just another charlatan who thinks he knows about things about which he knows a sum total of zero. In the Koukl debate, he made several elementary apologetic blunders, like the old "the Bible is a translation of a translatin of a translation," routine and several basic relativist arguments that took Koukl all of 30 seconds to dismantle each time. By the end of that debate, Chopra was visibly angry, because literally every time he opened his mouth, Koukl uttered a refutation or posed him a question that manifested how ignorant Chopra is about the Christian worldview, which he so freely seems to criticize. He can't even articulate what his opponents believe accurately, so any opportunity I find to see this charlatan exposed is always a treat for me to watch.GeneMBridgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504383610477532374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1124909423411596602005-08-24T14:50:00.000-04:002005-08-24T14:50:00.000-04:00Hey Campi: Saw John on Larry King last night as we...Hey Campi: Saw John on Larry King last night as well. I think Larry has John on so much because John does not waver and waffle on his beliefs. Which are very solid. Sitting John next to Deepak Cha Cha I think is very dangerous for Deepak as well. I would have loved to have heard the comments that John and Mr. Spirituality were making to each other as they continued to chat even when going to commercial.They both seemed very animated.<BR/>One thing for Larry King-he will never be able to stand before God and state he has never heard the gospel.<BR/>Peace<BR/>Tim WirthTim Wirthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04725701997232960229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1124904127396419172005-08-24T13:22:00.000-04:002005-08-24T13:22:00.000-04:00I'm stunned. So many landmines and he dodged them...I'm stunned. So many landmines and he dodged them all... very few could do what Mac did. Mac gave no ground both to evolution and intelligent design where needed, extolled 24-6 even in defense of intelligent design, and still made the distinction between the role of faith and intelligent *science* in the classroom.<BR/><BR/>As one who has seen and heard *many* public square discussions in the media over intelligent design, Mac's comments rank as simply the best I've seen (and that includes many 24-6ers). His answers should be used as a template for engagement in the public arena.<BR/><BR/>Oh... and thanks for posting this. :-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03880337516584157981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1124900418740215392005-08-24T12:20:00.000-04:002005-08-24T12:20:00.000-04:00I have to say that every time I see Macarthur bein...I have to say that every time I see Macarthur being interviewed in a secular setting (and I believe I've seen him on King at least one other time) he never ceases to be gracious, yet firm. I've never seen the man lose his cool in that kind of setting. <BR/><BR/>It is a shame that more people do not look to such men as Macarthur, Sproul and Piper to represent Christianity. It is sad that at the moment, much of the world is looking at Pat Robertson as representative of the church in America instead.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14866745010549942541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1124897602124574582005-08-24T11:33:00.000-04:002005-08-24T11:33:00.000-04:00Thanks for posting a link to the entire transcript...Thanks for posting a link to the entire transcript--I only wish I had known that the good doctor was going to be on ahead of time (I'm usually tuning in to Sean Hannity or Andy Griffith during that time slot).<BR/><BR/>I loved Dr. MacArthur's response to Deepak:<BR/>MACARTHUR: It's not in mythological anything. <BR/><BR/>You go, Dr.!<BR/><BR/>I also appreciated his comment(s) on the public school system: "In a public school intended to teach education to young people, I don't expect the Bible to be taught there. This is the role of the church. This is the role of Christians to do this."<BR/>This is pretty much what I was trying to say in my comments on Tom Ascol's Citizen-kings and Political Activism article you posted; fortunately, Dr. MacArthur has the ability to articulate those sentiments more eloquently, and in a more succinct manner than I.<BR/><BR/>I agree with you: Thank the Lord for men like John MacArthur who will take full advantage of opportunities he's given before national audiences to speak the Word and take a dramatic stand for Christ--with no ulterior motives or hidden agendas of furthering his own stature.littlegal_66https://www.blogger.com/profile/09424599483109788899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14012689.post-1124896711443462122005-08-24T11:18:00.000-04:002005-08-24T11:18:00.000-04:00An important point that Dr. MacArthur and Dr. Rich...An important point that Dr. MacArthur and Dr. Richards (ID proponent) raised, but did not press to Dr. Forrest (evolutionist) is the fact that “scientists” have their own presuppositions and faith commitments. Although she attempted to appear as the only objective scientist on the panel, she herself must admit to biases.<BR/><BR/>My question to Dr. Barbara Forrest: In our age it is becoming well recognized that all facts are interpra-facts, that everyone has presuppositions and biases when interpreting data. Do you claim to be completely objective when examining scientific evidence? If not, you cannot escape the very same objections that you are raising against proponents of creationism and ID.Jonathan Moorheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03687367307942260277noreply@blogger.com